Lonewolf: Welcome to our meeting tonight
T_J: Sorry for being late, had trouble getting connected
Lonewolf: We have a guest speaker tonight
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Lonewolf: Tobias would youplease intro yourself
T_J: Ok, LW.
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T_J: I´m 21 years old
T_J: I live in Sweden
Lonewolf: Please tell everyone what got you into Alternative Therapes
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wacky: ping me
Lonewolf: T_J?
haa: ping wacky
Lily: 2sec
T_J: And the disability I have is a brain-injury when I was one year old. Then, by 4½ years of age, I began travelling to theUS for a treatment there.
Lonewolf: no-this is meeting toime
T_J: In short
T_J: =)
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wacky: :)
Lonewolf: T_J would you go ahead with your first question
Lonewolf: excuse me a moment please
T_J: Since then I have tried some more treatments too, but that was one of the best.
T_J: OK LW.
T_J: Are the traditional treatments the physicians tell us about the only ones?
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Lonewolf: no, I don't think so
T_J: Anyone else?
Bruce: Hi lone how are you?
Lonewolf: sorry bruce no chat
Lonewolf: meting time
T_J: Just trying to get more to join in...
Lily: i never tried anything umconventional
Lonewolf: not you T_J
zelda: Sometimes Docs only know about convential methods
Lonewolf: T_J would something like a TENS unit be considered alternative?
intrepid: I like herbal remedues
adam: eve sais; most doctors only use what is the expected treatment sometomes because they are afraid of geting sued
intrepid: yes, Judi
Lonewolf: probably very true
zelda: also because there are no FDA regs on herbal meds they are concerned
T_J: Yes, I would say so too
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Lonewolf: yes that bothers me
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anny1: i like echinechia
Lonewolf: T_J what do you think of that?
zelda: however I see more and more docs getting into herberal meds and other techiniques then they us eto
haa: For alternatives, I use vitamins,minerals, green teas and restrain from animal fats, hydrogenated foods/oils,
zelda: however is still very limieted
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zelda: agree helen
zelda: docs do push vitamins
Lonewolf: T_J I know you had comments on this
intrepid: I've used magnetic therapy, ultrasound, massage. lumph node stimulation
intrepid: lymph
T_J: Yes, LW, and I don´t think that it´s the only ones either.
Lonewolf: go on
anny1: anyone else tried time release vitimins?
Lonewolf: all kinds of things I have never heard of
T_J: To much the docs don´t know or care about to know.
zelda: agree TJ
Lonewolf: Is it the same in country?
T_J: In my country LW?
haa: and i've started using magnetic therapy for my carpal tunnel in left wrist
zelda: I do find that exercise, meditation, yoga and vita mins help me and when I dont do those things
Lonewolf: 2)Should we be satisfied with what the traditional physicians tell us?
zelda: and if I eat meat make me worse
anny1: does magnetic therapy help?
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Lonewolf: I meant the attitude toward alternative therapies
zelda: sorry LW
Lonewolf: about what
haa: Magnetic therapy does seem to help me.
zelda: I beleive we need to educate ourselves and our physicians
adam: eve sais i've heard that in europe that when a person is recovering from an illness that they go sometimes to a place like a spa for several weeks
T_J: Good LW, I´m new in leading a discussion like this.
Lonewolf: wo adam
Lonewolf: doing fine T_J go on
zelda: but no I do not beleive we should be sasitified wiht just what the docs tell us
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T_J: Zelda, yes, but all doesn´t want to learn...
Lonewolf: no me either zelda
Lonewolf: Laura what was the lymph node thing?
zelda: I have been luckly TJ have got docs who like to learn
intrepid: it's a rype of massage
T_J: I certainly think we are not going to blindly take in what they tell us
anny1: i believe we are evolving to aplace where mainstriem med. will accept more and more of alternative therapy and eastern medicine
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zelda: also have two docs who are real big on diet and belive that we need to be careful what we eat that it effects our health
Lonewolf: never heard of tht-did it help?
intrepid: used to stimulate lymph nodes and take out poisons
intrepid: yes
T_J: Always look for another treatment if not satisfied with the one they tell you about.
Lonewolf: ok but wait a sec
Lonewolf: I'm an RN a skeptic
Lily: brb
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Kark: What stimulated lymph nodes?
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Lonewolf: if I mentioned magnets I would probably get thron off the edge of the world
T_J: LOW: What have you heard of alternative treatments, since you´re a sceptic?
Lonewolf: 3)Is the western view on different disabilities and illnesses the only right one?
intrepid: massage, sometimes done with small machine
anny1: how did you find out about lymph node stim. laura?
Kark: I heard about magnet
Kark: They sell the magneticpads in big department stores
adam: what about aqupunture?
intrepid: I went to a lady that also does colonics, several years ago, and we did it, and there's a woman in San Diego I'd like to go to
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judi: 3)Is the western view on different disabilities and illnesses the only right one?
T_J: I do not think so, because, because the Western view tends to see more to the symptoms of the dis or illness.
intrepid: yes
judi: T_J would you wxplainthis one?
intrepid: not whole person
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judi: could you explain please T_J?
anny1: unfortunatly it is the only one insurance will pay for at this point
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haa: I'm not sure about what's right or who gets to decide that...but for me what works is important.
judi: yes
adam: i think now the term is wholistic medicine
T_J: OK, Judi, we in West like to believe we are the best in treating different kinds of dis/illnesses, and therefore we tend to see others as less worthy.
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judi: I see T_J
pattio: has anyone ever tried noni juice?
judi: you are right about the way diseases are looked at
T_J: Such as the holistic medicine for example.
judi: what is that pattio?
T_J: No pattio
judi: is it an herb?
pattio: well I heard it is a juice from polynesia area, supposed to have a wide range of healing attributes becuase it acts on the mino acid levels
judi: do you mean osteopaths T_J?
judi: interesting
T_J: Not only those judi
anny1: our system is set up so that extensive double-blind studies are required for anything to be officialll accepted in the u.s.
pattio: so it is far reaching and helps healing at the cellular level
judi: and like accupuncturistsetc?
T_J: pattio, does the noni work for you?
pattio: blood problems, conective tissue etc
T_J: anny: Coming to that later.
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pattio: I hve not tried it yet, friends of mine are on it and I am waiting to see what they find..I am chicken!!
judi: 4) Are placebo effects only misguiding and bad?
intrepid: not sure
T_J: Ok, pattio. I´ve heard some about it too
Woz: me2
anny1: ok tj
judi: me either Laura
pattio: ok good to know others have heard some about it..there is tons of info. on the internet aobut it but mostly from a selling perspective
T_J: I think it´s not only for bad. Olthough some docs think so.
adam: the power of the mind is also important
Woz: but have not tried it
judi: agreed adam
intrepid: I mean, if it removes an effect, good
T_J: anny: Such as now. =)
judi: my doc keeps telling me to quit believing everything I see on the internet
pattio: lol judi!!!!
Woz: bio feedback works for dome things
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judi: the brain does release chemicals similiar to opium
adam: it's important to keep an open mind
intrepid: but when the person sees it's a placebo, will it make whatever the condition is any less real to them?
judi: so I can see where a placebo could work if someone believed in it for like a pain med
T_J: judi: To an extent. But not all on the net is bad.
anny1: you mean endorphens judi?
judi: I know
judi: yes
T_J: But one has to be critical about it
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T_J: adam, you´re right.
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adam: it's also important to be well informed about things in the medical field
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adam: what happened moooooooo?
Mooooooo: split
adam: everybody just went.............poof!
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judi: yes even killed our bot
haa: :)
intrepid-: it is relaxing, and gets the focus off yourself
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judi: yes
Mooooooo: woohoo
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judi: anny you said you meditate?
anny1: yes about 15 min each morning
Woz: i used to meditate
judi: ho?
judi: how?
judi: I have tried diff methods
Woz: thru visualization
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judi: that's what i did max
T_J: Back...
adam: yes we would be interedsted in knoiwing about meditation
judi: our speaker has returned
Woz: it helps with pain
judi: e are on meditation now T_J
anny1: relaxation, deep breathing, visualization,prayer
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T_J: Have you continued?
judi: do you guys use music?
judi: yes
T_J: Òk, which question?
judi: meditation T_J
Woz: not for meditation
T_J: Aha
anny1: not ususally
judi: does anyone?
T_J: I find it good for a lot of things.
judi: like?
Woz: relaxing
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adam: how do you meditate?
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T_J: Stressreducing, focusing better...
suze: can meditation help with insomnia?
Woz: not for me
judi: supposedly it debreases blood pressure increases circulation etc and I think it works!!
T_J: judi, it does =)
suze: i am just about to start learning about meditation
anny1: never tried it for insomnia
Woz: it is similal to biofeedback
judi: can e mention bio feedback here?
judi: lol max
KimberlyM: what increases circulation judi?
judi: deep meditation
intrepid-: I use a lot of musuc
Woz: had a eye injury lacerated cornina
T_J: Yes, sure why not, after all, it has with this to do
Kark: Suze I recently cut all cafine, do you drink coffee or other caffenated drinks
adam: do you say anything when you do it like a preyer?
anny1: took class in biofeedback years ago
Woz: used bio to assist
suze: no, i don't kark
Mooofasa: brb
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haa: excercise, excercise and more excercise stimulates circulation
Kark: oh, I found I was sleeping better without it
judi: a friend of mine did a master's thesis on biofeedback
Woz: the dr are suprised that i have the sight in the injured that i have
judi: interesting max
Kark: yes exercize helps almost everything I hear
judi: yes haa
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suze: it is hard for me to exercise
judi: me too suze
T_J: adam: No, but I think that work just as well, it helps you clear your mind, though I, myself don´t use it
judi: 7) Can visualization help?
Kark: I have limited abilites but physical therapy did a world of good
judi: I use prayer a lot
suze: are there any particular meditation tapes anyone would like to recommend
suze: for someone who is just beginning this process?
judi: suze I have a good one I'll send you the name of it e-mail
suze: thank you
suze: laura, what do u do with music?
judi: T_J how is all this diff from self hypnosis
suze: i came in late
Woz: i will talk to anyone in open chat on meditation & biofeedback
haa: Suze i am a quad and the types of excercise I do are isometrics abdominal and/or any other muscle tighting facial, muscles and left wrist
judi: my PT insisted on isometrics
suze: ok, yes, i hope to be in a program again next month of physical therapy in water
T_J: judi: It´s kind of self hypnotic, telling your body to do this, similar efects.
Woz: yes visualization is very good
judi: I used to do that and thought it helped
intrepid-: I listen to it all the time, pray with it, sanbce, etc
suze: are there any books any of you would recommend?
anny1: i hear very good things about wter therapy
intrepid-: dance
Kark: haa don't you feel a difference
T_J: used to, then why did you quit?
judi: I'll check Suze
intrepid-: I'm doing water therapy now
judi: I dunno T_J
Woz: joseph rhine banks did a v good book on hypnosis
Kark: How is that working intrep?
intrepid-: I recommend not doing it with a therapist
judi: self hypnosis?
haa: yes karen, i feel it is very beneficial...and I have a chin now :)
intrepid-: if possible
suze: is that self-hypnosis for relaxation, meditation?
T_J: suze, I can give you some tips later, don´t know their exact titles now
Woz: all forms of hypnosis
judi: 8) Is it important to have a comfortable and pleasant environment containing things we like, such as pictures, music, etc. and, also, to have someone we trust, who cares about us, giving us support etc.?
suze: ok, what do u mean laura, u recommend not doing it w/therapist
T_J: suze, meditaion can be used for a lot of things, for example relaxing
Woz: visual meditation & hypnosis are related
suze: i have had positive experience with physical therapist
judi: water therapy used to help me a lot
T_J: Visualisation, help you focus on your goal, and even helped in cancer treatment
T_J: Woz: Right
judi: wish wat was here
intrepid-: I mean that sometimes, therapists give you things to do in water, sometimes it is better to discover water yourself
T_J: Why so judi?
intrepid-: visualization is helpful
judi: he would like this conversation-he is a positive thinker
suze: he can read this
T_J: Ok.
judi: I visualize a waterfall and green banks
suze: ahh, nice
anny1: hypnosis is to put acertian thought in subconcious
judi: you mean llike relaxation?
anny1: meditation iand relaxation are for general well being i think
Woz: also for healing
T_J: Everybody has their own favorite room in their mind.
judi: 9) Can diets alter our conditions?
judi: sorry that as too quick
Woz: yes so thay say
judi: we haven't touched the environment question
intrepid-: to a point
haa: most definitely yes,yes,yes
adam: yes
suze: what do u think about alternative medications?
Kark: They say so, I need to find a good diet
suze: sorry, that was not topic
intrepid-: such as, suze?
judi: its ok suze like what?
suze: well, i saw someone who recommended that i take aloe leaf pills
T_J: I think it´s rather crucial to have a comfortable environment, and the rest in that question...
judi: haa you are pretty much on a pure organic diet?
haa: close judi, very little meat
judi: yes T_J and it has set my mind to thinking since I saw the question
Woz: alo is best for topical
suze: i was also told to not eat bread, pasta and rice
judi: hum
suze: not rice, corn
judi: eat aloe leaves?
T_J: Have we jump the environment question?
anny1: why none of these suze?
judi: sorry
Woz: alo for burns
suze: it's a pill aloe vera, leaf only
T_J: Doesn´t matter, take it after this then.
judi: ok
suze: they said i'm allergic to those
judi: T_J do you know about aloe?
suze: and need to cleanse my system of that
Woz: we keep 2 alovera plants to use as a topical ointment
judi: me too max
T_J: The plant aloe? Yes
suze: i bought them but haven't tried the pills yet
judi: no the pill
suze: i want to talk to my doc firrst
Woz: dont think it helps much internaly
T_J: Haven´t heard of that one
judi: good idea suze
judi: hat do you guys think of the pot issue
suze: what??
anny1: anyone seen a dr of naturepathy? they specialize in alternative stuff
suze: |the drug??
suze: marijuana?
judi: yes
T_J: About diests, it can help to trim the immune defence and so on
judi: legalizing marijuana
suze: i don't do that
judi: for use in cancer patients etc
Woz: ive known cancer patients who have used mj
T_J: I don´t like it, and wouldn´t take it either
judi: I read that it even calms the nausea
adam: how do they use pot against cancer?!
anny1: wat use to control pain i think
haa: i don't like marijuana, it ruins party's :)
Woz: onl in the controal of pain
judi: the article I read said it reduces pain and nausea
T_J: haa, not only that...
adam: i agree with you haaa
T_J: Woz, there are other ways of doing that.
Woz: k
Woz: im not advocating mj
anny1: i think that it has a bad rap becouse so many use recreationally
judi: I think there is a bill in congress concerning the legalization of mj as a drug
T_J: I didn´t think so eitheer Woz
judi: mdwould write prescription etc
T_J: Ok.
Kark: Well if it helps the quality of life I guess its ok
adam: pot for potheads only
judi: I have never been around it but isn't that negative thinking also?
Kark: I just cant seeing it doing anything good except stimulate appitite
adam: eve disagrees with me she sais it helps with cancer amnd aids
Woz: queen ann used mj for cramps the mence thing
judi: it does that?
anny1: i think if used per prescription is ok
Kark: it makes you doppy
T_J: Kark, there is many who would claim that it enhances the qualiyies
judi: so does morphine Karen
Kark: true
haa: i think pot makes you forget about it(pain) and is not a cure
T_J: Consider why it is good for nausea, etc.
T_J: haa, I think so too'
judi: I've seen ca patients screaming with pain on highdoses of morphine
Kark: I tried it but I didn't inhale lol
Kark: I have tried it and it only mademe doppy
haa: :)
haa: doppy head :) lol
judi: let's go back to the environment question
KimberlyM: i've never tried it:(
Woz: mj is not a cure it aleviatas if you can stand the smell
T_J: As it affects your brain in a negative way, I wouldn´t even consider it.
anny1: what was t he?
judi: Kim I've never even seen it
haa: what is the enviroment ?
adam: environment is important
T_J: I agree adam
judi: 8) Is it important to have a comfortable and pleasant environment containing things we like, such as pictures, music, etc. and, also, to have someone we trust, who cares about us, giving us support etc.?
adam: in giving a person cheerfull environment it makes them happy and less sick sais eve
intrepid-: yes
suze: do u think that plants are good for your home??
intrepid-: yes
Woz: if you like them
suze: is it because they emit oxygen??
haa: i agree with eve
judi: supposed to be relaxing
judi: contribute to air quality
judi: grow mold
T_J: suze: Depends on if you like plants, but I definitely would say yes
intrepid-: lol
suze: ok, just wondering
judi: what about lighting
suze: what else can u do to improve air quality in home?
judi: T_J?
T_J: Yes?
anny1: personall i find a lot of comffort from my pets
Woz: plants good during the day not at night unless you like the looks
judi: suze's ?
judi: I haven't a clue
Kark: yet pets make the world of difference
suze: tj, what else can one do to improve air quality in home?
adam: have a good wide to clean up after you
judi: agreed Karen
Woz: pets are good
judi: e have an air cleaner on our furnace
haa: first of all, the indoor air, has to be recirculated 100% every 2 hours
adam: i mean a good wiffffffe
suze: what is an air cleaner?
judi: uh
T_J: Hm, I don´t know what it´s called in English, but I think it´s air moisterer.
KimberlyM: pets are good fir wgat?
suze: humidifier???
T_J: Help if the air is dry
Woz: lighting is important if it has a 5500 degree kelvin
judi: thing on furnace that takes out dust etc-I think
suze: hmmm
judi: no
adam: what about ionized air?
judi: this isn't a humidifier
suze: ok
KimberlyM: or air purifier?
suze: still don't understand
suze: what is an ap?
suze: is it some kind of machine?
judi: I think its what Kim said
Woz: thay claim ionization is helpfull
judi: is that what an air cleaner does max?
T_J: judi: Could be, as I said, don´t know the term in English
suze: i do use one of those water pitchers that purifies your water
Woz: waterfall generate negative ions
Kark: negative ions?
judi: All I know is the air is circulated through the air filter and the return is supposed to be better
T_J: Never heard of.
adam: it takes out impurities
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judi: the filter has to be cleaned frequently
Woz: ionic air filters are best thay thay particals in the micron range
T_J: judi, it cleans pollution...
Woz: trap
judi: yes
judi: house less dusty
suze: hmmm
T_J: Yes
suze: that's worth exploring
intrepid-: I have one
Woz: can eaven trap bacteria
judi: drs told my daughtr to set up a room air cleaner for David
judi: do you Laura?
Woz: back to the light issue
judi: yes
suze: r u saying a certain type of bulb?
suze: certain wattage
Woz: daylight has a posative value in the psych areas
suze: or type of bulb
judi: true
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judi: so what kind is best?
suze: yes, i agree, i was just told i should get a certain kind of bulb
Woz: fluorescent daylight tumes
Woz: tubes
T_J: Just have lights that you like.
suze: i don't have tube fixtures
T_J: As for daylight I´d prefer the normal day
judi: some of us don't get out much T_J
haa: we use fluorescent bulbs and also halogen bulbs
suze: yes, but you can open the blinds and let the sunshine in
T_J: No, neither do I but at least we all have windows
suze: i'm just starting to do that
judi: I get nervous and irritable when bright lights are on
Woz: fluorescent tubes come in warm white cold white daylight and growlights the
haa: but mostly we have tons of windows, so lots of natural light
adam: eve sais flurorescent lights are used to treat some types of deprtession
Woz: thats true
judi: I've heard that adam
T_J: Yes, I know
Woz: the tubes should of the daylight type
judi: anything else on environment T_J?
adam: i've noticed at times that the best type of light is lovelight
Woz: the others dont work
judi: 10) Is it only through drugs and medicines that we are can alleviate spasticity?
T_J: No, don´t think so, have an environment you can reaslax and feel at home with
intrepid-: I have dimmers on all my lights
haa: lovelights???
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judi: me too Laura-very light sensitive
T_J: That´s good
intrepid-: easier to control and helps calm me in evening
judi: T_J go with 10 because I'm totally dumb
intrepid-: I'll help
T_J: With the 10?
judi: go for it
intrepid-: I think not
judi: question 10-I posted it
T_J: Ok. I noticed that
intrepid-: I've been on several anti-spasticity drugs
Woz: spasticity
T_J: I haven´t used any drugs, and are spastic.
Woz: #10
intrepid-: and heat, ice, and stretching work well
judi: what helps T_J?
T_J: It does intre
intrepid-: magnetic therapies help me
intrepid-: too
T_J: Well, on the method I was on rather long, IAHP (sent a link about that)
judi: http://www.iahp.org/
judi: cud you explain
T_J: They´ll make programmes for you, and it deals with spasticitty too
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judi: what about someone like me T_J I have leg spasms from nerve damage in legs
haa: I gotta go. good-night all...and thks TJ :)
judi: sorry-meant in back
Woz: i know a plastic surgeon who tried magnetics got better results from hyperbaric chamber
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judi: yes what about that hyper chamber T_K?
judi: T_J
T_J: Coming to that.
T_J: I think its´s great, while I tried it.
judi: k
judi: oh o you tried it?
judi: what did it do for ou?
Woz: it works for burns septic infections
Woz: and
judi: carbon monoxide poisening
Woz: yes
T_J: I got less spastic as more blood came through to my injured parts, and it was easier to move, better balance, better response for the neuro impulses from the brain
Woz: thay are doing testing at bethesda
judi: 11) Iwas it expensive?
T_J: Could do and still can do, things that was impossible for me before
judi: how many treatments did you have?
Woz: full size chambers are expencive in cost
judi: that might help you Laura
judi: 11) Is it true that there is nothing to do about a brain injury?
intrepid-: hmmmm
T_J: Well, let´s see, I think it was about 50 or 60, but I´ll going to continue with it in a few weeks
Woz: thay are greatly used & cheeper at a plastic surgeons office
judi: is this done in the US much
T_J: Ok Woz
Woz: all the time for the plastic work
judi: 11) Is it true that there is nothing to do about a brain injury?
T_J: Don´t think so, but it´s used more and morejudi
judi: ok
judi: T+J do you walk any?
T_J: Not true. If it was, I eould be here.
judi: explain
T_J: Only with support, but not good then either.
KimberlyM: nite yall
T_J: If it wasn´t for IAHP, I would still be very immobile.
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judi: hum
T_J: Have to train every they in order to maintain or get better.
Woz: what is iahp
T_J: An institute in USA, in Philadelphia
intrepid-: can I say something herea?
judi: sure
T_J: Helps brain injured
T_J: Yes
judi: Max check out the site I posted earlier
Woz: k
judi: go on Laura
intrepid-: well, I have a problem with the focus of most therapy for the brain injured because
intrepid-: it is focused on getting better and fixinfg the prob, which has left me feeling immensely damaged
intrepid-: so where do we draw the line?
T_J: intrepid: What kind of dis do you have?
intrepid-: Cerebral Palsy
judi: good point Laura
intrepid-: any ideas?
intrepid-: I struggle with this a lot
judi: T_J?
T_J: Me too, but if you don´t like these ideas, just don´t mind.
judi: but what choice do you have Laura?
T_J: But CP is one of those that you can get better in
Woz: laura have you had a brain scan
T_J: And I would recommend HBO and the IAHP.
T_J: What therapies have you tried?
Woz: my niece was diagnosed as cp but it was a bleeder at birth not cp
intrepid-: water, magnetic, herbal
Woz: it showed up in arecent scan
intrepid-: but lately
intrepid-: I've just done everything without therapists
Woz: a small part of the brain just did not grow
intrepid-: and I find it aesier
judi: but what if the chamber didn't help her? She wud feel even worse
T_J: Woz: Probably of a brain injury and those occuring at birth or some time after it, clasifies as CP.
intrepid-: no judgements on what should be
judi: I kinda kno what you mean Laura-I have taken many therapies and drug therapies that haven't helped
T_J: Should? No, I won´t say that, I´m only recommanding things I know has helped me
judi: just made me feel hopeless
Woz: k all
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judi: 12) Are auto-immune disabilities (such as lupus etc), really untreatable?
intrepid-: it seems toi be more healing for me, at least at this point
judi: not curable but treatable
T_J: intrepid: If you like we can discuss this more later
T_J: Well, I know about cases that has been well.
intrepid-: ok, tj
judi: nothing is going to change the genetic coding in the cells
T_J: intrepid: Mail?
judi: Enbrel is helping me
T_J: Oh, maybe not, but the way they work
T_J: HBO, for example help for lupus
judi: really T_J?
T_J: And about MS, well, doesn´t cure it, but it takes away the symptoms, to an extent.
judi: interesting
judi: I want to get these other url's in
judi: ttp://www.fseng.demon.co.uk/hot4cp/HBO.html Hyperbaric Oxygen Treatment, good information how this treatment work, and what it is.
judi:
judi: http://surf.to/hot Hyberbaric Oxygen Trust, and their treatments. Good for brain-injured, burns, MS, Lupus, Arthritis, Post-Operative Swelling, Leg Ulcers...they also have treatments with Amino Acis and MSM, very informative site.
judi: Do you have anything else?
T_J: Yes, the first one explains about HBO.
judi: anyone?
T_J: Have tried the Amino Acids and MSM
judi: T_J thanks a bunch
judi: what's MSM?
T_J: Hard to explain, it´s a phosphate
judi: well its late so if no one has anything else e'll close
T_J: It´s helps your cells work better
judi: T_J I can't thank you enough-I learned a lot
intrepid-: ok Judi
intrepid-: good meeting
intrepid-: bye
judi: yes very productive
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T_J: If you want more info, just ask
judi: bye
judi: ok
T_J: bye
T_J: Great you thought that =)
T_J: Nice to be able to share knowledge =)
judi: excellent T_J
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