Mooooooo: hi :o)
LoneWolf: hello Moooo
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wacky: i am here u happ?
wacky: i am here u happy?
Mooooooo: yep :o)
LoneWolf: yes bri
LoneWolf: Daniel did you get bri's letter on the website?
wacky: I SENT IT THIS AFT dAN
wacky: oops caps
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LoneWolf: Tonight we will briefly discuss the healthcare issue and then go on to holiday gift buying for and by the disabled.
LoneWolf: Brian has sent out sample letters for each of you to send to your legislators concerning MICASA and SSI Definition
LoneWolf: od Disability. It is up to each of you to decide to send or not send these letters, just keep in mind they effect
LoneWolf: all of us in the us.
LoneWolf: Those that have not been present during the discussions can visit the website at http://members.tripod.com/~disabled/
LoneWolf: and read the minutes from the previous meetings.
LoneWolf: A very brief recap of each is:
LoneWolf: MiCASA, H.R. 2020, is a bill to create a national attendant program to offer people with disabilities the option of
LoneWolf: in home care instead of nursing homes.
LoneWolf: SSI - REDEFINITION OF DISABILITY
LoneWolf: The House Ways and Means Committee's Human Resources Subcommittee has drafted amendments to the SSI disability p
wacky: letter and difintion on mailing list
LoneWolf: Are there any specific questions that have not been covered previously?
LoneWolf: give me an idea he you guys have caught up
Lacebay: I am assuming we send the letter of support to our own elected reps.?
wacky: yes lace
LoneWolf: I think we decided last week that most of us were nt in support of the SSI def and were in support of MICASA
LoneWolf: I would ike to propose that each one of us bring a need or concern tothe meetings when the need arises and we will has it out then-sound ok?
wacky: actually judi i have new in fo
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LoneWolf: ok shoot wacky
wacky: Hr2020 or micasa is being rejected and rewritten
wacky: now known as S.879
LoneWolf: oh no
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LoneWolf: brian we need to post that to the list also
wacky: no S.879 better makes it federal
LoneWolf: would u mind?
wacky: not state and federal
wacky: I will
LoneWolf: so the national attendent program takes the place of MICASA
LoneWolf: definite need to write congressmen.
wacky: so that makes healthcare and annual pay raisies manditory,...... and allows more control to whom we hire
LoneWolf: Ready to move on?
wacky: Yes u got it judi
LoneWolf: that's great Brian
LoneWolf: latecomers the beginning of the meeting will be in the minuts
wacky: and it doesnt cut down pay of attendant who are family members
LoneWolf: Ok now
LoneWolf: Holiday Gifts
LoneWolf: We're talking major stress time here.
LoneWolf: Is this the right gift? Will they like it? How am I going to get my credit card paid off? ETC.
LoneWolf: My two questions are: How do I buy gifts that I like from my bed?
LoneWolf: How can I get people to quit giving those blasted dust catchers!!
Kim^^: dust cathers?
LoneWolf: nic nacs
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wacky: How can I stop getting t-shirts???
LoneWolf: things you don't know where to put
LoneWolf: t-shirts are male dustcatchers
Kim^^: start puttin them IN the cabinets judi
LoneWolf: women get nic nacks men get t shirts
LoneWolf: or hankies
Lily: or ties
LoneWolf: anyone have any shopping tips?
wacky: or worst... underwear
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Lily: make list, shop fast
LoneWolf: anyone shop by computer?
wacky: I have hate it
Lily: use catalogues
Kim^^: not i but bet it is big this year
LoneWolf: WW may I use you as an example?
Lily: not puter
Kark: I think massage certificates are a good Idea
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WonderW: sure Judi
Kim^^: example of?
LoneWolf: Karen, I've never heard of that
LoneWolf: WW has been sick and is unable to sit very much so shopping is pretty much out of the question
haa: I use catalogues :)
Lily: any gift cert. good, books, records, theatre tickets
Kark: In NY Massage centers are popping up all over and its great to get a massage
LoneWolf: gotta go get them though
wacky: but judi if u shop on-line for a dis friend u dont know if can work
LoneWolf: sounds great Karen
Lily: can get gift cert. anywhere, just ask
Kim^^: why wacky?
Kark: Since my insurance has stopped my physical theraph its the next best thing and it costs less
LoneWolf: ho is she gonna get there Lily?
wacky: becuase you can have sales rep open so u can see
wacky: but not so on puter
Lily: phone them, judi, places will mail
LoneWolf: LIly why did yu say no to puter
Lily: puter not safe
Kim^^: why is that diff for dis friends wacky?
LoneWolf: but she has a special gift to buy and doesn't want to phone
Kark: I am afraid to give my account number over the puter
wacky: some gifts may not be adaptible
LoneWolf: good point
Lily: have friend buy, judi??
haa: puter is not safe, That's why i don't do it either
LoneWolf: what will u do W?
WonderW: not sure
LoneWolf: why is puter less safe than phone
wacky: easy phone calls recorded
Lily: on puter u give credit card no.
Kim^^: n/a for me no credit cards
LoneWolf: you do on phone too
Kark: because hackers can intercept acct number
Mooooooo: sorry, was on phone. let me catch up quick
WonderW: may be able to go out and do it, may just do catalogs and have it late, may make them
haa: Cuz, the person on the other side verifies your previous data from past sales.
Mooooooo: Karen, as long as the web server is secure, you can safely give your account number
Lily: ask daniel, is less safe on puter
Mooooooo: it must be secure though
LoneWolf: I had heard what Daniel is saying
Mooooooo: when you type in your number, look up at the address....
LoneWolf: a secure site is ok
Mooooooo: it must have https:// not http://
Mooooooo: the 's' must be there
Mooooooo: or its not safe
Kim^^: i guess this fits the topic- am i gonna be the only one not in the ornament exchange?
Kark: I work for a Credit Card company and we dont get that many problems with online merchants but enough to scare me
anny: good tip daniel thanks
LoneWolf: it was Jill's idea-just for anyone wanting to do it
LoneWolf: thanks Daniel
LoneWolf: some of you may not know-but cordless phones are a big risk too
LoneWolf: as well as cell phones
Kim^^: ok i know but i don't have the money and not crazy bout giving out my home address
Mooooooo: cordless phones are bad for placing orders on
WonderW: even if you get a window stating it's secure, it has to say s?
Kark: oh cool moooo I didn't know about the s
Mooooooo: must be https://
Mooooooo: s means secure
WonderW: me neither
wacky: I did heeee heeeeee
WonderW: you're superman
Mooooooo: it means that the company is legally in business
wacky: no I am super sick
WonderW: cool, good to know
LoneWolf: Cindy has a neighbor ith a cordless phone and the conversations come sross Cindy's baby monitor
Kark: You guys kill me
Kark: yea I was told that
WonderW: clark bent, then
Kim^^: wacky sick?
WonderW: but onward we go
wacky: new evesdrop device CIA must have!
wacky: yes laura
LoneWolf: what about gifts for yourselves
anny: scanners canbe purchaced that pick up cordless and cell phone calls
Lily: brb, ppl on main
wacky: saving for bedroom set HERE
LoneWolf: people think we are hard to buy for because we are disabled
Mooooooo: yeah, we need gimpy toys
Lily: hmmm, i dont find that
anny: why is that judi?
LoneWolf: I'd much rather get a handicapped aid than another ceramic cow
haa: I have a hard time finding hospital gowns
wacky: yea my familly thinks i thave no interest, sooo I have more gloves and hats than I have head and hands
LoneWolf: because most don't actually know hat we need
Lily: i get books
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LittleMan: i made it!!!
WonderW: me too
anny: moooooo ofended
LoneWolf: smooch moooo
haa: I am looking foe Calif keychains
Lacebay: For about $50 my son bought a camera to send picture of himself.
wacky: i usually get clothes i cant wear ppl alway buy me white things cuz I dont have white clothes WONDER WHY
LoneWolf: gift ideas-what would you really like to get instaead of t-shirts'
WonderW: lol brian
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Lily: lol, white terrible, shows stains
WonderW: I just never learn
wat: howdy all i have good news
WonderW: always wear white
LoneWolf: go ahead wat
LittleMan: hi wat
LittleMan: trying to do 3 things at once here
wacky: ummmmm kitghen ware ummm paid trip to see family, new puter proggies
wat: had chemo radation today feel great no sickness at all
wacky: all actually under 50
wat: can feel it working
LoneWolf: good news wat
Lily: never wear white after labour day
WonderW: good wat
Kark: great wat
LoneWolf: LILY LILY
WonderW: sharing, Alison?
anny: congrats wat!
Lacebay: Shes right. Great news wat!!
wat: nurses loved the checkerboard dennin wayne hair do lol
LoneWolf: ok I have this dream of going through a home care catalogue and picking out little things that would help
wat: like dennis rodman lol
Lily: lol, wat
LoneWolf: ok back to meeting
wacky: i hate Gimpy gifts the alway get something I cant use
Lily: serious here
LoneWolf: fo rinstance?
LittleMan: ill be back when im done something less
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anny: what about having it handy to show them when ppl ask what you want for christmas
Mooooooo: like the combination coffee maker / enema
Mooooooo: i hate that
LoneWolf: good idea anny
Lily: i dont like anything with an extension chord
WonderW: lol, you would combine them
wat: i thought i was demented l0ol
Kim^^: i get no dis gifts told my family i refused them
wacky: for Xmas I want some one to wire my cd player to play off chair battery NOW that would be nice!
wat: i still think perperation H is a mind expanding drug
Lily: lol, wacky
LoneWolf: then I get something to put on the shel
wacky: see laura liked it
WonderW: I love it
haa: Last year i got a mother-of-a-TV-remote, that lights up and I can't even handle it...it's too heavy
LoneWolf: oh no
Kark: Sorry, I must make a quick comment, WW its great to see you back, ok I am done
WonderW: thanks Karen
Mooooooo: my fav is the puff tube powered toothbrush
LoneWolf: I think we are all a bit slap happy tonight
LoneWolf: Mooo what is that
wat: tie a helum baloon on it
wacky: oh I seen it never works
Mooooooo: a joke.... just gotta be there
Lily: well, most gifts are pretty bizarre
wacky: actually have em dan
WonderW: I've been in bed all day, getting a little thrilled to be in this position
Mooooooo: my twisted mind turned into reality
LoneWolf: every year Pat and I get each other something we don't need and can't afford
Lacebay: SP is on at 10. New CD is good gift
LoneWolf: a joint present
wat: i asked bertha for trial seperation
anny: that's the american tradition is it not
LoneWolf: yes CD's are good
LoneWolf: haa what did you do with the remote?
Lacebay: Chef Aid, South Park cd.
Lily: lol, wat
wat: certifactes of deposit would work too
LoneWolf: I can see my kids affording a cod
haa: I make everybody else(ABS) :) use it....:)
Lily: yup, i want money, is tasteful
wacky: I give my friend steve a wk paid vacation and somethin he can use last year was bamboo walking stick
Lacebay: I agree
LoneWolf: why does the whole gift thing bther us so much
anny: money always fits
wacky: CUZ were poor!
Lily: doesnt bother me.............
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LittleMan: i can finally stay
Lacebay: Wacky you are sooo rite
haa: We are doing money where we can get away with it.
LoneWolf: don't you guys go through the are they gonnsa like this thing?
wacky: no I ask ppl make wish list
Mooooooo: but the best gift is the life sized gimp/hamster walking ball
Lily: naaaaaa, i just buy everyone candlesticks
Kark: I always feel like they have got to love it
Lacebay: Yes and no. Some you cant satisfy. Give them something you like & get it back
LittleMan: whats the topic?
haa: Little kiddies don't understand money...we buy toys for kiddes
WonderW: quite British, Alison
wat: i like toys
anny: ok yes judi very much so, what areyou on tonight daniel?
Lily: u can never have enuff candlesticks
LoneWolf: it causes stress for me and I end up sick every year
Lacebay: I bought out my xmas stuff. Moore candleholders!!
LittleMan: bye wat
wacky: when my father was alive used to always get him something I KNEW hed use...... soap on a rope w/ card saying: now ur safe! lol
LoneWolf: I like perfume myself
LoneWolf: no one ever gets me any though
LittleMan: i just take what i recieve and give what they need
LoneWolf: have to spray on clothes-irritates skin
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LoneWolf: thanks bri
LoneWolf: how can e reduce this gift stress
Lacebay: See you later. Gotta go.
wacky: i find sibs are hard to buy for
LittleMan: bye bay
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LittleMan: k lily
wacky: k lil
LoneWolf: someone said ask for wish kist
wacky: that was me
LoneWolf: I need typing lessons
haa: my 12 yr old wants perfume called polo from the GAP
LoneWolf: that's a good idea
wacky: but all my sibs...ar girls
LoneWolf: expensive haa?
haa: don't know yet, but I think yes.
LittleMan: thats stuff expensive
anny: judi draw names fewer gifts=less stress
wacky: whuddya do cant get em what I d get my girlfriend
LoneWolf: great that's what I was fishing for anny thanks
haa: that's what we do with my family ..draw names
LittleMan: wb lil
LoneWolf: everyone has started putiing money and christmas together then it takes half the year to pay off each christmas
LittleMan: same with ours helen
LoneWolf: mine too helen
LoneWolf: it helps
Lily: 1 gift per person, judi
LoneWolf: ok last Christmas thing
LoneWolf: good lil
LittleMan: but what do you do when you get a gift and you can see they dont like it?
LoneWolf: e've al been there LM
LittleMan: get a gift for someone
anny: it's the retailer that take the christmas out of christmas by making us think we have to buy buy buy
LittleMan: that happened to me last year
LoneWolf: suggest they return it for something they like
Lily: returns are hassles
LittleMan: do you let them keep it and get the something new?
LittleMan: or do you just leave it?
haa: yes, i agree returns are a hassle...
LoneWolf: Anyone wanting to do an ornament exchange send me their names or Alison or Brian and we will forward to Jill
Kim^^: i can just nuy receipts now i know my kids are taking them back:)
LittleMan: ornament exchange?
LoneWolf: me too Kim
LoneWolf: tough one LM
LoneWolf: just let it go
Kim^^: might go the certificates this year
LoneWolf: This was adopmom's idea
LittleMan: what was?
Kark: what is an ornament exchange?
Lily: easiest, then ppl get what they want
LoneWolf: we collect names and she will draw a name for each of us and we sent that person a christmas ornament
LittleMan: if i new how to send one i would be in
Kim^^: out your name in the hat to be drawn for xmas present ornament exchange
LittleMan: but how do i get it to you?
haa: I got a Lands End gift certificate last year and It was great :) got new sheets and blank
LoneWolf: voluntary participation only
wacky: i dont even do atree
WonderW: neat, I have to go guys, worn out again
LoneWolf: sounds greet haa
wacky: more work for steve and I never here any way
LoneWolf: wanna do the ornament thing Laura?
WonderW: of course
LittleMan: im in, but how do i send you an ornement when my name is drawen?
LoneWolf: ok anyone else?
LoneWolf: your name will be drawn by someone and
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LittleMan: hi drive
LoneWolf: someone will draw your name etc
LittleMan: i got that part
LoneWolf: send addresses to us
LittleMan: but how do we send them an ornament?
LittleMan: ok :)
LittleMan: but, i dont know if im aloud to do that
LoneWolf: I was gonna say hand deliver
LoneWolf: u better check with parents LM
LittleMan: yah i think so
Lily: ask parent first, LM
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WonderW: love you all
LoneWolf: luv u too hon
Kark: by ww
haa: bye ww
anny: bye bye
LoneWolf: well that's all I have tonight
wacky: bye ww
Driveshaf: meeting is over?
LoneWolf: the forms for letters will be on the web site____?????
WonderW: byr, clark Bent
LoneWolf: almost Dony
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WonderW: qwhat forms?
LoneWolf: well sometime
Driveshaf: ya thats me almost
LoneWolf: to write to congressmen
WonderW: oh ok
LoneWolf: National Attendent Bill esp Laura
LoneWolf: anyone have anything else?
LoneWolf: I have 1 more question
LoneWolf: did my letter to the list upset anyone?
atrpilot: bye all good meeting
LoneWolf: bye charlie
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haa: not me
Lily: no, what letter?
LoneWolf: undercurrents in channel
Lily: ahhhhhh, no not me
Driveshaf: why would u think that
wacky: no mamma
Lily: was good letter
LoneWolf: I have a suggestion
anny: what was your letter about
LoneWolf: there are a lot of undercurrents on the channel
LoneWolf: gossip fears etc
LoneWolf: I know Kim-I had to be told too
Kark: I wasn't aware
LoneWolf: me either
haa: I never hear any of the good stuff :)
LoneWolf: My suggeation is to IGNORE
Lily: lol, haaaaaaaaaaaa
Lily: good idea, LW
wacky: as an op tho jude we cant
LoneWolf: xcuse me
Lily: rise above, etc.
wacky: but can laff at it
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Lily: no, wacky, if open we must deal with it
LoneWolf: how though Lily
wacky: well yea but I mean laff at the stupidity of most of it
LoneWolf: I'm not good at this stuff
Lily: but not make it worse
Lily: yup, wackt, i agree
wacky: ppl cant take IRC so serious
Lily: wacky, sorry
LoneWolf: if anyone is hassled or harrassed olease report it to a channel op
Lily: no, is only IRC
wacky: that s what we here for
LoneWolf: we want all of yu to feel safe here
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LoneWolf: any comments?
LittleMan: im aloud to do it!!!
Kim^^: to do whaT LIL?
LoneWolf: oh yea if anything is going on you may have to hit me over the head before I realize it
LittleMan: the ornament exchange
Lily: lol, judi
anny: i still clueless judi
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LittleMan: hi Shann
haa: hi Shann
LoneWolf: send me ur address
LittleMan: i dont believe my parens let me
LoneWolf: its a bunch of silly games
anny: good lm
LoneWolf: just don't let anyone hassle ya
anny: yes judi
Kim^^: hassle you how?
Shann: Hi :)
LittleMan: k Lily
LoneWolf: well thanks everyone for coming see ya next week and don't forget to write your congressmen
wacky: harrass u kim
Kim^^: hji shann
Lily: hi shann
Kim^^: how wacky? and whoi?
anny: anybody hassles me i click the little X in corner
LittleMan: cant go anywhere yet
LittleMan: bro is printing
LoneWolf: mostly Kim and anny it has been people from other channels starting rumors
Lily: k, thanks judi
wacky: if u feel uncomfortable acout something kim tell an op
Kim^^: rumors like?
LoneWolf: if you just leave anny we can't get rid of it
Kim^^: i don't now but i will:)
wacky: ok kimmy
LoneWolf: good night guys
LoneWolf: love you all
LittleMan: night judi
haa: night judi
LoneWolf: oh haa
Shann: NIght Judi
wacky: lm no sounds in RT
haa: yes judi
Lily: night judi
LittleMan: if i could cancel it i would
wacky: just main ok bud??
LoneWolf: you were late and I know MICASA was important to you=do you know it has been replaced?
wacky: i know
wacky: by S>879 helen
wacky: by S.879 helen
haa: Oh, is that the bill you were talking about...the attendent care bill?
wacky: S.879 makes it fedral
wacky: yes thats the one
LittleMan: ill send you my adress now judi
LoneWolf: who knows maybe I'll even be able to have an attendent one day??
LoneWolf: Meeting is over
haa: okay judi. i'll write my letters. :)