phoenyxx: judi- good one! I now need to find something that can hold more, if you know what I mean, in case I run across another locked bathroom!
jrt: now we have to be serious here you know:)
* Countrybo wants to know is it me or has anyone ever
judi: Uh oh, are the handicap ever politically correct?
phoenyxx: judi- I'm not! :-)
Raven_: jewl mimi
Countrybo: well just run for office lol
judi: I know that phoenyxx
Mooooooo: for the record
* Mooooooo is a single 34 year old Politically Incorrect
judi: Lol
Raven_: ADA has relaxed IMO
HelloKit: Okay... I think I'm ready, how about the rest of us?
judi: Lol lol lol
phoenyxx: Raven- problem I see with ADA is that the wrong people get to use it.
Mooooooo: ready :o)
Countrybo: wow
jrt: I suppose:)
judi: Ready as ever
Raven_: i agree
tractor: ready
HelloKit: What are some examples of political correctness (i.e. terms, actions)?
Countrybo: is that anything like a left over hippie type christian redneck?
phoenyxx: examples I've seen- people getting really uptight when one of us tries to be funny!
tractor: lol
judi: In what context?
Mooooooo: smug people using the word 'physically challenged'
jrt: not calling aborignees, 'abbo's'...
phoenyxx: right on the mark daniel!
HelloKit: heh
Raven_: being non'offenseive to anyone...a pipedream
Mimi: now you supposedly have to say 'people with epilepsy' instead of 'epileptics' :oP
phoenyxx: not calling able bodied 'spawns of Satan' :-)
Countrybo: hehe its a challenge to refrain from physically smakin the smug ones lol
judi: Physically challenged wow
* Mimi wonders what the hell the difference is
HelloKit: Ooh Mimi... big difference!
Mooooooo: practicers of epilepticion
Mimi: lol
HelloKit: lol
phoenyxx: to me disabled sounds a bit harsh but I prefer honestly over euphemism...euphemisms don't make the condition go away.
Mooooooo: im proud to be....
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HelloKit: lol
Mimi: lol
jrt: lol
tractor: lol
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GimpKitty: ;o)
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phoenyxx: take a page from Brave New World....'Epsilon and proud of it!' :-)
GimpKitty: rofl
Epileptic: oops, that was suypposed to be 'Epileptica'
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Mimi: too long, oh well
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jrt: ?me is known as the blind leading the blind...
tractor: lol
judi: How about just Gimp Group
tractor: kewl
tractor: gimpsters
HandiCow: lol
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judi: Mimi, when I. taught diabetes education we were encouraged not to say diabetics
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phoenyxx: everyone using the term gimp brings up another question....no one likes to hear slurs or derogatory terminology, but what do you all think of other disabled people using
phoenyxx: terms like 'crip' and 'gimp'?
Mimi: why, Judi?
Countrybo: how about free wheelers?
HelloKit: Doesn't bother me at all, Simon.
HandiCow: I like it :o)
judi: Because they were supposed to be people not a condition
tractor: meeither
phoenyxx: I hear a Judas Priest song coming on....'FREEWHEEL BURNIN'! :-)
Countrybo: lol
Mimi: that's what the epileptics...oh, sorry, PWE's say, too
judi: We called them people with diabetes
Mimi: bah
HelloKit: Judi: Yeah but does that make it bad to call someone a blonde or a brunette, or a female or male?
judi: I thought it was ridiculous
judi: No kidding
phoenyxx: one time someone joked with me about what street gang I'd join....think about it :-)
* HelloKit is a person of female gender. :oP
judi: That came from the American diabetes Association
Mimi: as long as you don't go around saying 'hello, nice to meet you I'm epileptic' I dont see a problem...semantics
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Raven_: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...Tina?
HelloKit: rofl
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Mimi: lol
HelloKit: How many usually follow the unwritten rules of political correctness?
Countrybo: most men are lol
jrt_1: I got disconnected:(
judi: I guess I am not suppose to be an arthritic ether
HelloKit: 'Not I,' said the cat. :o)
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Countrybo: only polititians
jrt_1: sometimes:)
phoenyxx: Carly- I don't. I don't need rules to tell me to accept other people's differences..just common sense and 'right' to me.
Raven_: mem r? lol
Mimi: well, since my cousin who's in a chair jumped down my throat for using the word handicapped, I always say disabled now
HandiCow: only gimp wimps follow political correctness
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judi: Wonder who came up with political correctness?
Countrybo: i think its silly
Hillbilly: hey country
HandiCow: Liberals
HelloKit: Well, that is one thing that gets to me too, Mimi... for some reason I don't like the word 'handicapped' either.
tractor: im tired of heearing the term
Mimi: hey hillbilly
Countrybo: a rose by any other name would still smell sweet
tractor: its to preppy
HelloKit: I say, handicaps are for bowlers and golfers.
Hillbilly: hi mimi how is that kid
phoenyxx: what irritates me are the disability support people I've met that get SO DAMNED SERIOUS about everything.
Countrybo: lol true
tractor: lol kit
judi: My husband calls handicap parking places afflicted spots
Mimi: he's great hillbilly thanks :o)
HandiCow: lol
jrt_1: yeah makes people sound like thay are race horse<g>
HelloKit: lol
Countrybo: yall need to lighten up what difference does it make what they call us aslong as it aint late for dinner or late on a payment?
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HelloKit: Judi: Chris just calls them the 'cool spots'. :o)
phoenyxx: the thing is though, if someone uses the term handicapped and they really didn't mean anything by it, I'll politely ask them to say disabled instead.
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jrt_1: Hi ray:)
Countrybo: why?
phoenyxx: rather than preach political correctness just for a simple mistake.
Countrybo: what difference does it make?
judi: Handicapped, disabled, Gimp, who cares?
Countrybo: right on judi
Ray-1: Hi, all.
tractor: really judi
* BuBbAGump ask what is politically correct for a person
Hillbilly: hi ray
tractor: hey ray
HelloKit: Well, personally, I prefer gimp ;o)
judi: Hi Ray
phoenyxx: in the future they will call us 'those to cower in fear of' :-)
HelloKit: lol
Mooooooo: lol
judi: Most call me Mom or grandma
HelloKit: Do you believe political correctness to be important?
jrt_1: but what I find annoying is when you don't have a disablity that can be seen, nobody believes you the first time you tell them
Countrybo: the terminology used wont make you un disabled or more disabled it dont mean a thing unl;ess you personal pshyche allows that and tyhats a personal problem then not a worldly one
Raven_: no..opinions r important
phoenyxx: carly: not me. I mean how does simply using 'nicer' and more vague terminology magically make things better?
* HelloKit agrees.
Mooooooo: I equate political correctness with a yeast infection. Both can be cured with a little effort
Mimi: I think it's important not to offend people who may be offended
Countrybo: lool mooo
jrt_1: sometimes
HelloKit: lol Daniel
phoenyxx: right on the mark countrybo
judi: I used to have that problem J. R. T.
BuBbAGump: I sometimes use a chair, because i want to build wheelchairs and I want to understand my product better. I like using it, but I do it so I can help the disabled. Does that classify me as a wannabe. No so therefore what is the PC way to call me?
jrt_1: cows are bummed:)
Countrybo: a wheel chair mechanic lol
phoenyxx: uh, I'm for real and have been called a wannabe.
BuBbAGump: LOL
Countrybo: wheel chair test pilot?
Raven_: a wannabe??
tractor: be what?
Mooooooo: 'shouldbe' ???
tractor: ?????
tractor: could be
HelloKit: I like that, Countrybo... lol
tractor: ??
Hillbilly: phoenyxx u in chair
BuBbAGump: Looks like I got everyone 2 thinkin!
Mimi: lol
phoenyxx: yes hillbilly
Hillbilly: me to
Hillbilly: 2 years
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phoenyxx: bubbagump- my term for non-disabled using a chair: poser or infiltrator....
phoenyxx: :-)
* BuBbAGump ask Countrybo what is he talking bout?
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Raven_: batteries r slow..i need at least 10
judi: phoenyxx, do you ever talk on ICQ?
* Countrybo wants a 440 hemi dual quad 4 on the floor
* phoenyxx got into a huge tirade about wannabe's a while
jrt_1: Hi here:)
phoenyxx: judi: no I haven't but I've heard about it.
phoenyxx: mimi: what?
phoenyxx: countrybo: you just described one of my dream cars :-)
Raven_: they exist pheonnyxx?
Countrybo: lol
* BuBbAGump ask Phoenyxx, they may be true 2 a point, but
tractor: www.icq.com 4 those interested
tractor: iys good
* Countrybo is from the days of muscle cars
HelloKit: Do you think there is a happy medium between politcal correctness and political incorrectness?
phoenyxx: Dodge 440 Charger- seen in Mad Max :-)
BuBbAGump: I bet......LOL
judi: My daughter in law talked to someone last night that worked in public TV shows that sounded like you
Raven_: no
Countrybo: no you are right bubba and i think i speak for all the disabled here when I say I appreciate you helping us
jrt_1: give me mad max's car...yeah...
jrt_1: yes:)
judi: B. R. B.
phoenyxx: bubbagump: pardon the hard line....just that I've gotten way too much flak about using a chair, and my condition is legit.
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BuBbAGump: I will work on it. I aminly want to seel chairs. I basically probally know the most about wheelchairs then any kid in the world. You name a chair or a chair comapany, I can tell you aout it or vive versa
Countrybo: wow
* phoenyxx uses a Quickie GPV
BuBbAGump: Phoenyxx, Thats ok. Don't judge my book by it's cover and I will do the same
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Hillbilly: nitro e&j
judi: judi uses a power chair
phoenyxx: thanks bubbagump...I am guilty of making the whole 'wannabe' issue into a bigger deal than it really is.
tractor: hi search
Mimi: <HelloKit> Do you think there is a happy medium between politcal correctness and political incorrectness?
Countrybo: Welcome to #Disabled search_un!
* Countrybo thinks its great bubba ya gotta test them and
jrt_1: Hi search:)
Ray-1: This may be a minority view-- but whatever we call ourselves, it still seems like an uphill climb to get jobs or dates or respect or whatever it is we really want.
phoenyxx: I can find a happy medium between the two.
phoenyxx: ray-1- hit it right on the head.
BuBbAGump: Phoenyxx. That quickie GPV is a take off of the orginal GP by quickie. The only difference is that the foot rest is a sleek v for better manuverability
jrt_1: true...
Mimi: yes, Carly, I think there is...we can't be overly sensitive about things but also have to take others' feelings into consideration
judi: Kit, I think the whole concept is silly
tractor: thats right ray amen bro
* Mooooooo is in love with a gimpette so dont have to
phoenyxx: bubbagump- definitely very manueverable.
HelloKit: :o)
Raven_: quickie p300 here
Ray-1: stop bragging, Mooooooo.
tractor: lol moooooooooooooo
jrt_1: :)
Mooooooo: /:o)
tractor: yeah mooooo im jealous
tractor: lol
BuBbAGump: Thats right countrybo. I am now trying to learn the things that apra's first go though when they start rehab. Transfers and all the wheelys known to man....LOL
judi: But, it seems to be part of today society
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* Countrybo has a wheel chair and i was afraid to do
phoenyxx: again to everyone, sorry about the snide wannabe remark, just that the bs I got on the ng still sticks with me.
tractor: ng????
phoenyxx: I do wheelies all the time, it's what got me banned from the community college's Disabled Student Servies office.
HelloKit: I don't even have enough arm strength to wheel my chair, let alone do wheelies!
BuBbAGump: The quickie p300 is one of the nicest power chairs quickie makes. It is very sllek in style and one of the fastest brand ame power chairs!!!
phoenyxx: sorry carly.
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* Countrybo wonders why the darned things cost so much i
judi: Political correctness is very much a problem right now, makes one scared to say the wrong thing.
* Mimi can do good wheelies :o)
phoenyxx: quickie does a great job of making a chair look better than just a piece of industrial gear :-)
Raven_: heavy....................
Hillbilly: i live in hills and wheelies is the only way i can get around
jrt_1: I know how you feel judi...
Countrybo: and i am a retired? engineer and know damned well it dont cost 1500 to build a chair with wheels
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BuBbAGump: Countrybo....That si another thing I am pushing for. If I learn what I need then I am going to in my spare time make a nice rigid frame affordable chair for those who cannnot afford the brandname!!!!!
HelloKit: This question has probably pretty much already been covered, but...
HelloKit: Does it bother you when people use PC terms to describe you and/or your disability, or do you prefer that they do?
Countrybo: and i think if they wanna charge so much then lets build them out of more composite maintanence free materials
judi: Like physically challenged?
phoenyxx: ...do you all think that political correctness is what breeds some of the infighting within the disabled community? most flak I've gotten is from other disabled people pissed off that I have a life outside
jrt_1: I hate it...
phoenyxx: of my condition.
Countrybo: and give the powered ones more power
phoenyxx: it offends me carly.
Countrybo: so they can climb hills
Mimi: I think it's ineffecient to call me a 'person with epilepsy' when they can save 3 syllables and say 'epileptic'
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HelloKit: Good point, Mimi.
Raven_: i feel the www is a perfect place, because we have imput and opinions
jrt_1: yes Mimi:)
Mimi: it's like, I KNOW I have epilepsy, so who cares what you call it?
* phoenyxx has found several angelic websites on the www
phoenyxx: excellent point Mimi :-)
jrt_1: and nobody can judge us until we say we are disabled
Raven_: the rig?
Countrybo: amen mimi
Raven_: ring
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BuBbAGump: I would rather people say that boy can't breathe right then to say asthma. When I was young I couldn't say it. It creates a feeling The word does I mean.
Hillbilly: hi search
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HelloKit: wb Judi
Ray-1: Maybe it's my age, but having cerebral palsy, I wouldn't mind being called a 'CP'.
Countrybo: well gee does it make any diff if i say i got bad legs or am a gimp or have md?
judi: guess I took a vacation!
Mimi: wb judi :o)
HelloKit: Mooooooo, would you like your crown back?
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judi: Got knocked off line again
jrt_1: yes well I know, when I could hardly see, peolpe would look at me strange like I was illiterate or something
jrt_1: cause I had to use a maginfing glass too read
jrt_1: and get my then 4yo daughter to help me do the shoipping
phoenyxx: it might sound weird but I get the most aggravation when I'm trying to get info or help on incontinence (uh, for a friend, yeah that's it!) and the people that know
phoenyxx: about it try to gloss over it.
Countrybo: lol
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Mimi: simon :o)
tractor: lol phoenyxx
Mimi: hey scott :o)
phoenyxx: like it goes away if we ignore it....really irritating when I'm looking for products...for a friend....yeah...
phoenyxx: :-)
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tractor: lol
jrt_1: has it all gone quiet or am I lagging?
Countrybo: Welcome to #disabled Hillbilly!
HelloKit: Would anyone like to add anything else?
phoenyxx: I mean, I get shy about it (ok it's me I'm talking about :-) ) but I get more nervous when someone tries to act too casual about it.
Mimi: wb hillbilly
tractor: quiet
Hillbilly: thanks
phoenyxx: especially irritating when I've been chided for what I call the products I use for protection.
tractor: zzzzzzzzzzz
Countrybo: hey phoenix no one likes to admit having inco tinence lol hell i amd healthy in that dept. but have dribbled her and there onmy way to the bahroom because i get there more slowly now lol
tractor: ssshhhh
Mooooooo: nope
Countrybo: ssssh?
tractor: be vewy vewy quiet im huntin wabbits
HelloKit: lol
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BuBbAGump: Hate it when that happens
BuBbAGump: I think I made a good point b4 I left, but I don't emember it........LOL
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