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SBWheels: hi all
Bubbles-: hey steve
jrt: Hi wheels:)
judi: Carly, I know I messed up on the listerv this week, but when I answered Simon's letter I replied to sender only, not sender and group
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HelloKit: Believe it or not... Carly is actually ready for this meeting! :o)
HelloKit: np, Judi
judi: Hi SBWheels
Jo-: good lets go meeting time everyone pay attention.
jrt: hang on cutecool's not here?????
SBWheels: ok, who's been showing bubbles and jrt how to do colors??? ;)
Jo-: bite your tongue!
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HelloKit: All right, are we all ready to start?
Diablo1: but go ahead anyways
Mimi: hi guys :o)
Diablo1: i'll be stopping in from time to time
Jo-: color color everywhere
jrt: welcome home MIMI!!!!!!!!
HelloKit: btw, I don't have my questions pre-typed, so bear with me...
judi: Hi Mimi
Mimi: thanks debbie :o)
jrt: color here and color there
Bubbles-: mmmmmmm mimi:)
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Jo-: even computer dummy learned how. he he
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HelloKit: Has anyone ever had a service animal of some kind?
Bubbles-: look what you did deb
Bubbles-: hey haa
Diablo1: nope but think it would be very cool
judi: No, but am looking into it
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haa: hello bubbles
jrt: sorry, but whats a service animal, like a seeing eye dog?
Jo-: We had a goat that pulled my brother in a cart because he heart was so bad.
haa: hi mimi
Bubbles-: my wife services me....she can be an animal
HelloKit: Any animal that is trained to help you.
Diablo1: i guess you could consider my parents service animals
judi: yes, jrt, but for the disabled
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jrt: well, mine were kind of trained by me:)
Jo-: Lady in San Angelo had a monkey to do stuff for her, but it bit someone and spca took it.
judi: They get things for you, help you up, can even be trained to dial 911
jrt: when my eye sight was really bad...
Jo-: Now big fight on
HelloKit: Aww, that sucks.
Mimi2: hi buuba
BuBbAgUmP: Hiya Mimi
haa: my kids do that judi
jrt: Hi Bubba:)
Bubbles-: monkey magic
jrt: Hi Haa:)
Jo-: Yeah it's coming down to a battle over wild animals in city limits and handicap rights.
judi: hi Bubba
Bubbles-: why are you mimi2?
haa: hi jrt
jrt: my ponies were trained by me too compensate for my blindness, so are the Jacks
judi: There are a few really good web sites for them
HelloKit: What are the advantages of owning a service animal?
Mimi2: because i dont feel like arguing with nickserv tonight
Bubbles-: what is the topi for tonight?
judi: Well, I am alone alot and live out in the country, way out in the country
Jo-: They can fetch things for you, turn on and off lights, warn you of dangers, tell you when doorbell rings, pick up things you drop.
jrt: well the advantage of owning any animal is they will be your friend,guardien with no questions asked, they will love and respect your no matter what you look like
Jo-: Bubbles service animals.
judi: They can be trained for your special needs
Bubbles-: do they wear butler outfits too?
judi: I saw a show on using them for Parkinson's patients a few days ago
jrt: my 2 Jacks know that I have troun/ble seeing them sometimes and know not too hang around my feet
Bubbles-: brush your hair
Jo-: They are company, they give you exercise, they help with therapy also.
* HelloKit thinks maybe animals carry less resentment for
judi: They are also used for epileptics, they can sense a seizure coming on
SBWheels: some dogs can be trained to sense when a person is about to have a seizure... up to a half hour before
judi: so true, HelloKit
jrt: and my ponies used too always come running up too me when I called out there names, no matter what the size of the paddock and would stand there quietly for me
SBWheels: ha! gmta!
Bubbles-: if i know a person is epileptic i can tell when a seizure is coming on too
BuBbAgUmP: As for any animal they are a good warning system. They know about dangers b4 we do
Jo-: People on duty all the time can get stressed out. With animals to help, reduces amount of time you need people around.
Mimi2: how, bubbles??
jrt: I personnally think we as humans owe a lot too domestic animals
HelloKit: Good point, Bubba.
judi: I read about one service that started the training at their center and then sent a trainer into the person's home for a month of specialized training.
Jo-: They can also sense earthquakes and severe weather changes.
Bubbles-: little mannerism sthat occur
Bubbles-: so can arthritis:)
Jo-: Animals are trained by trainers then people are trained, then they work together for a months probations period.
judi: Most places make them pass a test every year
judi: lol, Bubbles
jrt: when ever your feeling down, your pet no matter what it is will come and try too make you happy:)
Jo-: Yeah they do a refresher to make sure the animals haven't picked up bad habits from owners.
HelloKit: Are there any disadvantages?
* Mimi2 needs a dog i think :o)
judi: I can't figure out why golden retreiverd are considered the best breed
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Jo-: Poop control!
HelloKit: lol Jo
judi: Hi beetle
jrt: well they are very gentle and are very easy to train:)
Bubbles-: hey beetle:)
jrt: hi Bettle:)
judi: I'm sure they could be trained to let themselves out if you have a yard
Jo-: Animals have to be fed, watered, brushed, taken to vets.
HelloKit: True, you do have to put up with the maintenance tasks that come with any pet. And in most cases the animal probably isn't able to help with those tasks.
SBWheels: some store owners or restaurants refuse admittance even though there are laws that guarantee entrance
Bubbles-: just like kids really
* HelloKit . o O ( How I would love to have a dog that
jrt: yes, but even if you never do any of that Jo, they still love and respect you no matter what
Jo-: If they threaten to call a cop, you just tell them go ahead. The cop will make them comply.
haa: Animals have a lot in common with the disabled
Jo-: thats what I got ferret for he is pooper scooper for yard.
Bubbles-: they dont slam doors in your face and tell you where to go
Bubbles-: not for you jo?:)
Jo-: Nope I change my own diapers thank you.
jrt: No I'm affraid I'm an animal olver 101%:)
judi: Me too
Jo-: chihuahuas have been found to be big help for asthma patients.
Bubbles-: you can love your pet, just dont LOVE your pet:)
jrt: yes and poodles as well:)
HelloKit: In your experience (personal or otherwise), what do you think is the best kind of service animal to have?
judi: I've got one and I have asthma
Bubbles-: whatever best serves your purpose
judi: Do you mean breed?
* HelloKit wants a monkey, but that's just cuz they're so
Jo-: One that fits in the sink to wash. Cause lifing that 30 lb one into tub and washing it is a hassle.
jrt: dogs, and even though they are big, ponies and horses that the disabled kids ride:)
BuBbAgUmP: I think alot of times animals know how we are feeling. They know what we need. A dog beside of you helps more than you know. And a cat on your lap helps to. And then you can't forgrt a horse. All ways good to get away for a while. They sometimes know how we feel, because in a waya they may be going thorugh the same thing. I know thats corney but true
judi: That's why I was wondering why Golden Retrievers are considered the best breed
Jo-: Kit they have a program called Sonrises that has horses for handicap people to ride in San Angelo. Special progam for disabled as part of therapy.
jrt: I agree Bubba:)
HelloKit: I've heard that even ferrets (sorry Jo... hehe) can be trained to fetch things, do zippers and buttons, etc.
jrt: yes we have riding for the disabled out here:)
beetlebug: there's a lot to be said for conpanionship
Jo-: Monkey is good but run risk of diseases and temperment, and many cities ban them.
Bubbles-: I was really hoping daniel would be on today....i had a great joke for him
Jo-: Yeah he does really good. Got friend that has two of them and they can zip her dress.
jrt: Judi the golden retriever would have to be one of the most gentle dogs you could want and they are very easy too train:)
BuBbAgUmP: I perfer a Lab myself. They are a very strong dog
judi: There was a diabetic here in Henderson that went into insulin shock and her dog hit the 911 button on the phone when he couldn't wake her up
Bubbles-: golden ret.. savaged a young boy last week
Jo-: I depends on where you live and how much you can do in dog care as to the type of animal they match you with.
judi: Saved her life
Bubbles-: very unusual
BuBbAgUmP: A believe a Dalmation to be a very very good dog also
jrt: really, didn't hear about that one Bubbles...
Jo-: Dalmation is dumbest dog in world.
Bubbles-: beautiful dogs
judi: One site also recommened Welsh Corgies, another Dobermans
jrt: no spaniel are the dumbest dog...
HelloKit: Yes, they're dumb, but so adorable :o) I've always wanted a Dalmatian; my mom says I'm nuts.
Jo-: beautiful but dumb, very hard to train and have problems with deafness.
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Bubbles-: nearly severred the jugular
SBWheels: hi elizabeth :)
Mimi2: hi liz
judi: hi elizabeth
jrt: Hi liz:)
elizabeth: hello everbody
Bubbles-: jack russells annoying dogs
Jo-: Any dog can turn vicious if right provacation.
Bubbles-: hey there lis:)
Bubbles-: afgans really stoopid
HelloKit: True Jo, I know... I have brothers :o/
BuBbAgUmP: I have had 3 damations and I have had them trained. Never had any real health problems til old age. We breeded them.
jrt: well I know that I'm bias here but the jack russell is a great dog with kids, the elderly and through my experience the disabled as well:)
Jo-: That is why little children should never be alone with them. Kids bop them and pull on them and they snap and you got problems.
HelloKit: I'm trying so hard to keep my brothers from ruining my chihuahua before I can get her out of here.
Bubbles-: great jrt you bit:)
jrt: You'll keep....
Jo-: Chihuahua are too delicate for rough housing with boys.
haa: who has these helpful animals
judi: German Shepherds are good police dogs
HelloKit: Have you, or someone you know, ever encountered discrimination against a service animal?
Jo-: I've got a chihuahua and a pound puppy. The pound puppy picks things up off floor for me all the time. And tells me when someone is in yard.
judi: There's one place caleed Canine Companions
Jo-: Yeah restaurant tried to keep out seeing eye dog and we all ganged up against them.
Bubbles-: i think all animals are able to serve different purposes
jrt: I've heard about it....
judi: Happened in a town near me
Jo-: City of San Angelo Tx took a womans monkey away for it biting a visitor. Almost killed it to send head of for rabies test.
judi: Never did hear how it ended up
haa: my maltese drives us nuts when people come
Jo-: Monkey is still alive but now they won't let owner have it back because it violates city code.
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Bubbles-: pets in restaurants and breast feeding seem to be the problems
Bubbles-: in public
jrt: trust you too think of breast feeding Bubbles<g>
Jo-: Monkey named Ted E. Bear
haa: hi carly
judi: Service dogs are trained to sit quietly by your side
Jo-: Made headlines all over and city getting mail you wouldn't believe.
Mimi2: anyone who has a problem with babies eating naturally in the restaraunt needs to seriously get a life
Bubbles-: i hate chuck
Bubbles-: hear hear
Jo-: Some stores have tried to keep out service animals, especially big malls, but have been stopped by laws.
jrt: :-p see bubbles na...na...
Jo-: little children must play.
HelloKit: Is anyone considering getting a service animal at some point in the future?
Bubbles-: no, sorry
jrt: not unless i really needed one...
Jo-: Got 2 dogs now, one big enough to pull me in chair if needed and chi for asthma thats enough.
Bubbles-: i'll be your hound dog:)
judi: I love to go aside, but would be afraid to try it without someone with me. A service dog can help with that, too
judi: Sorry, outside
Jo-: There is a group that specially trains them for assisting wheel chair people, harness similar to seeing eye but shorter.
BuBbAgUmP: I already have a dog, but I would like to go into some training training on the side
judi: Yes, several groups
judi: Biggest problem is long waiting lists
Jo-: There are dogs for the blind, dogs for the deaf, dogs for wheelchair users, and dogs for nursing home patients.
HelloKit: For those considering it, what are your concerns?
Jo-: long waiting list and big $$$$$
jrt: yes # dogs and 1 cat plus tropical and gold fish, don't need anything else at the moment, besides a pony/horse:)
Bubbles-: 3 ?
jrt: 4 that is
jrt: 3 sorry:)
HelloKit: Jo: Amen
judi: Not big bucks
Jo-: Now pull up my blanket and kiss me goodnight mommy
jrt: how much does a dog cost?
Jo-: We did just finish saying prayers right kit.
judi: Canine Companions charges $100 and another place was $250
HelloKit: Really? That's all?
jrt: could you sya get a dog and send it off to get trained privately?
judi: They are mainly not for profit agencies that rely on contributions
Jo-: I've know people to pay up to $5,0000 for a fully trained dog and their training and break in program that is a good deal you found.
judi: One place I read about did, but if the dog doesn't pass all the certifications, they won't continue
jrt: I have no idea re the costs of a service dog:)
judi: Do a net search, its an interesting subject
HelloKit: Yahoo has a whole category on service animals. That's where I got the topic idea :o)
jrt: i will judi:)
Mimi2: bbl :o)
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judi: Hey, where's Daniel?
jrt: am I laggingh or has it gone all quiet?
HelloKit: He's gone until Friday.
Bubbles-: shhhhh trying to think:)
Jo-: I knew I smelled something.
HelloKit: Well guys, sorry I couldn't make this last the whole hour, but I do have one more question...
jrt: took the words right out of my mouth:)
Jo-: She is trying to streach it out the full hour!
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HelloKit: Do you think we should post a survey on service animals and people's experiences in next month's edition of WheeliWeb Gazette?
DocKeaggy: hello all
Jo-: Hi Doc!
jrt: Hi doc:)
DocKeaggy: hi Jo
HelloKit: And, if so, what questions would you like to see asked?
jrt: yes why not carly:)
judi: sounds fine to me
DocKeaggy: and all
judi: Hi Doc
Jo-: Sure why not, get more response from those that couldn't be here tonight.
DocKeaggy: hi judi
DocKeaggy: and jrt
jrt: what type or breed of animal?
DocKeaggy: and bubbles
DocKeaggy: a lot of people are here tonite
SBWheels: hi doc :)
Bubbles-: meeting on your'e late
jrt: what the animal does for the person?
Jo-: What type of animal they have or want, name of resources to go to for animals. Any good or bad experience they have had with animals.
judi: Good night guys, I've been sick again, not much stamina
Jo-: nite judi
SBWheels: good nite judi :)
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jrt: :( Bye Judi:)
Bubbles-: nite judi:)
BuBbAgUmP: I would like to know some neat stories on how the animal helped the persons
DocKeaggy: I'm back
DocKeaggy: hi Sb
HelloKit: eek, I'm gonna split...
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SBWheels: netsplit :(
DocKeaggy: wb youtwo
HelloKit: Hehe... told ya :o) I'm psychic!
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DocKeaggy: why don't you be our weatherman hellokit, ours thought the weather whould be ok today
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BuBbAgUmP: Kit U2?....lol
HelloKit: Am I good or what?
SBWheels: wb elizabeth :)
DocKeaggy: for real though
Jo-: : -)
HelloKit: No, I'm only kidding... they warned us :o)
DocKeaggy: it snowed like a crazy man today
DocKeaggy: they didn't us
HelloKit: How does a crazy man snow, Doc? ;o)
Jo-: where are you doc?
HelloKit: Before I close the log, does anyone have anymore ideas for the survey?
DocKeaggy: chows rule
haa: got to go, bye to all
DocKeaggy: bye haa
Jo-: Ask average annual cost of maintenance of animal.
jrt: can't think of any thing else carly:)
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DocKeaggy: I outta go too, I have a whole lot to do and not much time at all. Bye all!
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jrt: hey bubbles keep an eye on your e mail later<g>
Bubbles-: did you recieve a response from me jrt?
jrt: I think I did, the other day?
Bubbles-: yes....i replied